Not only are you spamming this useless comment everywhere, it's totally wrong. This card is for *any* scenario which requires multiple display outputs. Not only this, but every news outlet is referring to it as a card for digital signage solutions. So no, it isn't for scientific applications, and no, I'm not going to look on YouTube for information that I can find elsewhere. Jesus wept.
Maybe but when you can just pop in 2 or 3 of these cards I guess the use case of a single card capable of 8 is pretty limited. I guess maybe if you need to also run adobe crap (which crashes on multi gpu config or at least amd + intel igp configs) but other then that I think its uses are limted.
Thinking about it, what else than adobe circus can you feed there... Running 137Mpx video is prolly out of question, not sure if these cards can handle that, let alone where to get one, buying 4k and then upscaling sounds weird too... so in the end I guess you'll be looking for a vector source.
Can radeons do something like Mosaic? Because the "Make huge desktop and automagically span it across displays as one" is what the selling point is here. There’s plenty of big "display wall" use cases where something like that would make setting everything up much easier than syncing the output of different cards together properly. And for those scenarios, anything under $1000 is a steal.
In the consumer market, not professional like this. Matrox was doing this sort of thing many many years earlier. Nvidia too with their Quadro cards. AMD gets the praise for making it standard outside of the fancy pro-card market.
Yes, it's called eyefinity and has existed for about 6 years at this point. As far as I can tell the maximum number/size supported by GCN card is 6 4K displays but idk if you can extend it further with more cards.
Just google 6 mini dp radeon and take your pick.. There are tons of them.. and no they dont have to buy the firepro cards, mosiac is a driver feature (software) not hardware implementation on either GPU maker.
This card only costs a few hundred more than the cheapest FirePro with six miniDP connectors. Considering the difference in power consumption (no 6 pin PCIe necessary!) and extra connectors, the price premium is justified.
The other interesting thing is that Mosaic appears to work across both multiple GPUs (the NVS 810 has two) and even across multiple cards. While expected for the NVS 810, this software also works with Quadros for those looking for bit more pixel pushing power to go along with the displays.
This does make sense and definitely has its usage scenarios. I immediately thought of the unbelievable amount of displays used as (video) background in TV shows. Those guys use many screens put together to output a single image across all of them. That's where some horsepower and cards like this nVidia would make sense. Of course, it would also be within a (news) TV channel's budget. Given Adobe's products are amazing (AE and Premiere) and TV channels do use them to create impressive visuals, no wonder this would be better than the AMD alternative. RayTracing isn't supported on AMD cards, unfortunately and rendering barely makes use of AMD GPUs, most of the time it's the CPU that's doing the hard work , including Ray Tracing.
That's a pretty poor ray tracing implementation. With Open CL 2.0 support on AMD GPUs this should only be a matter of sitting down and writing the proper code. Well, an paying the developer(s) to do so.
What kind of displays are used in video walls? I would love to know if consumer TVs can be used, or if these are special models. I would think they would need to be a special "borderless" model, but maybe not - I don't really know. Maybe at the range from which they are viewed, the borders "fade" into the image.
While any display will theoretically "work", the question is for how long and how well. Samsung, LG, NEC, Planar (others, etc) all make commercial panels designed specifically for video walls. This includes:
- super narrow bezels (as low as 2mm screen-to-screen - with LCD based displays there is no true "borderless" designs - used to have that with some DLP based displays years ago, but those are long gone) - uniform chassis design so all the screens in the array "fit" together properly (many consumer sets have slight curvature to their chassis - not noticeable individually, but try placing them in an array and you have issues) - built in scalers that automatically take a 1080p input and scale it across the array, as long as you have a symmetrical arrangement (2x2, 3x3, etc) - no need for an external controller, just a 1080p source. - advanced color calibration features to ensure uniform color tracking across the array, as well as a larger color gamut for color critical operations (a lot of high end video walls are marque installs, and the company logo, etc needs to be spot on). - cooling and airflow designed to operate when the screens are stacked on each other - seems minor until you start losing units from overheating - advanced control through RS-232 and/or TCP/IP - advanced vendor warranty and technical support - Some models have built in media controllers for custom or "HiDPI" implementations (i.e. 1x4, 2x2x6, etc configurations, or driving the entire array at its native resolution - i.e. a 4x4 array of 1080p panels has a native resolution of 33MP) - longer production cycles and, when model lines are refreshed, backwards compatibility - quickest way to ruin the look of a video wall is trying to replace a failed screen a year or two into the install and the original panels are no longer available, with no replacement.
My 5p: - Nvidia/PNY have a line up for this market segment: NVS (300, 500 and now 800). - These cards are rather dumb. More 2D than 3D. Not intended for games. - More for workstations and OEMs that need to drive a set of displays. - The market of Signage is substantial. Think of public displays in airports, stations, malls, shops. - The article misses the display port 1.2 streaming functionality that allows 1 card to drive up to 32 displays.
1. They have for a looooong time now, though Matrox was way aherad of them back in the day. 2. Yup. For simple video rendering, you don't need all that much more - this isn't a gaming or even 3D workstation card at all. 3. Yup. Also think about stuff like large financial displays, all of which lead back to point 2 of being very 2D-focused. 4. Yup. 5. Bandwidth limitations come into play - you can either MST 4 1080p, or 1 4K. For multiple 4K, you need more ports.
the price is a major rip off. A partially enabled gm107 die is worth like 75 bucks 100 max so at max this card should be 200 dollars. They are really milking the hell outta this card.
Well, - in this market segment, Nvidia is a monopolist. Like Intel (see Xeon pricing). - Card is for OEM. Not for consumers. Here play product aspects (built- & driver-quality, low-noise) and commercial aspects (supply chain, change management, LCM, pre-qual samples, EOL, LTB). - Cost wise NVS810 should equal 4x NVS310 or 2x NVS510. And its way above. But then, can you place all those cards in your workstation/server?
With this card having two GPUs, there is also a PEX 8747 on board, which has been extortionately expensive since PLX was purchased by Avago. Add another $100-$150 just for that.
I would rather have 2 more 34" 3440 x 1440 21/9 monitors and 3 EVGA GTX 980ti Classified cards in tri SLI if we are talking about a true honest to goodness immersive surround gaming experience. Heck I would even take 2 27" 2560 x 1440 monitors to go with my 34" LG 34UM95 I am currently using that does a great job of immersing you in whatever game your playing. Since the 34" 21/9 1440p monitor is the center panel and is very wide I think 2 more 21/9's would be overkill since I do not want to have to crane my neck left and right too much. Just the one 21/9 monitor I am using allows me to scan the horizon in Warthunder Ground forces with my eyes instead of having to mouse left or right as much as with a standard 19/9 monitor would make me have to. 21/9 is here to stay and is about the best thing to come along since the whole eyefinity and NV surround deals that have been out for ages. Too bad they do not make a 32/9 1440p monitor which would be 5120 x 1440 and would be totally awesome, it could even be made on the same assembly line as the 1440p 16/9 panels just do not cut them to make 27" panels. Looks like the real VR tech is going to use this resolution thanks to Star VR StarVR was born from Starbreeze’s purchase of InfinitEye, which previously discussed the potential for ridiculously high resolution set-ups in VR. At that time, it was conceptual more than actual, but the actual realization is now what the guys at Starbreeze claim to have made. Their StarVR headset is an HMD that is capable of a 5,120 x 1,440 pixel resolution and an even more ridiculous 210-degree viewing angle.
Why is nvidia doing a paper launch on this? I have yet to find a retailer that have any stock. This is the perfect solution to my setup and it couldn't have arrived at a better time for me.
@Kutark I would get ONE of the NVS810s and then have another Video card to the rendering for it. I ran 9 monitors using 3 Nvidia 210s + a radeon 6970. The primary display was set as one of the Monitors connected to the 6970. I had 8 Everquest windows @ 1080p each with the 6970 rendering. No lag at all.
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RaistlinZ - Wednesday, November 4, 2015 - link
But... can it play Crysis?DanNeely - Wednesday, November 4, 2015 - link
On that 15k video wall? Probably at at least 50 FPS.That's frames per (gaming) session.
AntDX316 - Thursday, November 12, 2015 - link
It's designed for scientific applications. Look it up on youtube.richb93 - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
Not only are you spamming this useless comment everywhere, it's totally wrong. This card is for *any* scenario which requires multiple display outputs. Not only this, but every news outlet is referring to it as a card for digital signage solutions. So no, it isn't for scientific applications, and no, I'm not going to look on YouTube for information that I can find elsewhere. Jesus wept.Michael Bay - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
I wonder if it is possible to unite this card with something like 980ti under DX12 and have a decent framerate on a big matrix of displays.AntDX316 - Thursday, November 12, 2015 - link
It's designed for scientific applications. Look it up on youtube.aryonoco - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
16x 4k displays.I want!
Well, actually there is no way I can even fit 16x 21" display on my desk. But I can fit 6x 8k displays. Hmmmm....
Morawka - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
wow totally overpriced there self out of this market.... ppl just gonna get those 6 mDP radeon's and do the same thing for 100x less costHollyDOL - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
Maybe, though if you can afford buying and running so many screens I doubt cost of this card would trouble you much.qlum - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
Maybe but when you can just pop in 2 or 3 of these cards I guess the use case of a single card capable of 8 is pretty limited. I guess maybe if you need to also run adobe crap (which crashes on multi gpu config or at least amd + intel igp configs) but other then that I think its uses are limted.HollyDOL - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
Thinking about it, what else than adobe circus can you feed there... Running 137Mpx video is prolly out of question, not sure if these cards can handle that, let alone where to get one, buying 4k and then upscaling sounds weird too... so in the end I guess you'll be looking for a vector source.This imho needs more testing...
xype - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
Can radeons do something like Mosaic? Because the "Make huge desktop and automagically span it across displays as one" is what the selling point is here. There’s plenty of big "display wall" use cases where something like that would make setting everything up much easier than syncing the output of different cards together properly. And for those scenarios, anything under $1000 is a steal.nightbringer57 - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
Eyefinity does that, AFAIK.In fact, AMD was first on the "many displays on one card" selling point, if I remember correctly.
Dribble - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
In the consumer market, not professional like this. Matrox was doing this sort of thing many many years earlier. Nvidia too with their Quadro cards. AMD gets the praise for making it standard outside of the fancy pro-card market.mickulty - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
Yes, it's called eyefinity and has existed for about 6 years at this point. As far as I can tell the maximum number/size supported by GCN card is 6 4K displays but idk if you can extend it further with more cards.Flunk - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
Yes, you can have multiple cards. If my Radeons are not in Crossfire they support 12 monitors at once, in crossfire it's only 6.Klimax - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
Where can I get new 6,5USD Radeon?Morawka - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...Morawka - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
Just google 6 mini dp radeon and take your pick.. There are tons of them.. and no they dont have to buy the firepro cards, mosiac is a driver feature (software) not hardware implementation on either GPU maker.http://www.club-3d.com/index.php/products/reader.e...
Kevin G - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
This card only costs a few hundred more than the cheapest FirePro with six miniDP connectors. Considering the difference in power consumption (no 6 pin PCIe necessary!) and extra connectors, the price premium is justified.The other interesting thing is that Mosaic appears to work across both multiple GPUs (the NVS 810 has two) and even across multiple cards. While expected for the NVS 810, this software also works with Quadros for those looking for bit more pixel pushing power to go along with the displays.
Morawka - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
who says it has to be a firepro, radeons support tiled displaysAntDX316 - Thursday, November 12, 2015 - link
It's designed for scientific applications. Look it up on youtube.3ogdy - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
This does make sense and definitely has its usage scenarios. I immediately thought of the unbelievable amount of displays used as (video) background in TV shows. Those guys use many screens put together to output a single image across all of them. That's where some horsepower and cards like this nVidia would make sense. Of course, it would also be within a (news) TV channel's budget. Given Adobe's products are amazing (AE and Premiere) and TV channels do use them to create impressive visuals, no wonder this would be better than the AMD alternative. RayTracing isn't supported on AMD cards, unfortunately and rendering barely makes use of AMD GPUs, most of the time it's the CPU that's doing the hard work , including Ray Tracing.MrSpadge - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
That's a pretty poor ray tracing implementation. With Open CL 2.0 support on AMD GPUs this should only be a matter of sitting down and writing the proper code. Well, an paying the developer(s) to do so.romrunning - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
What kind of displays are used in video walls? I would love to know if consumer TVs can be used, or if these are special models. I would think they would need to be a special "borderless" model, but maybe not - I don't really know. Maybe at the range from which they are viewed, the borders "fade" into the image.Mikemk - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
Any TV or monitor works, but NVIDIA's drivers requires they all be the same model.danstar7 - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
NEC makes displays for video walls that are "borderless" Any TV with the proper video input would work though.HammerStrike - Friday, November 6, 2015 - link
While any display will theoretically "work", the question is for how long and how well. Samsung, LG, NEC, Planar (others, etc) all make commercial panels designed specifically for video walls. This includes:- super narrow bezels (as low as 2mm screen-to-screen - with LCD based displays there is no true "borderless" designs - used to have that with some DLP based displays years ago, but those are long gone)
- uniform chassis design so all the screens in the array "fit" together properly (many consumer sets have slight curvature to their chassis - not noticeable individually, but try placing them in an array and you have issues)
- built in scalers that automatically take a 1080p input and scale it across the array, as long as you have a symmetrical arrangement (2x2, 3x3, etc) - no need for an external controller, just a 1080p source.
- advanced color calibration features to ensure uniform color tracking across the array, as well as a larger color gamut for color critical operations (a lot of high end video walls are marque installs, and the company logo, etc needs to be spot on).
- cooling and airflow designed to operate when the screens are stacked on each other - seems minor until you start losing units from overheating
- advanced control through RS-232 and/or TCP/IP
- advanced vendor warranty and technical support
- Some models have built in media controllers for custom or "HiDPI" implementations (i.e. 1x4, 2x2x6, etc configurations, or driving the entire array at its native resolution - i.e. a 4x4 array of 1080p panels has a native resolution of 33MP)
- longer production cycles and, when model lines are refreshed, backwards compatibility - quickest way to ruin the look of a video wall is trying to replace a failed screen a year or two into the install and the original panels are no longer available, with no replacement.
2old4this - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
My 5p:- Nvidia/PNY have a line up for this market segment: NVS (300, 500 and now 800).
- These cards are rather dumb. More 2D than 3D. Not intended for games.
- More for workstations and OEMs that need to drive a set of displays.
- The market of Signage is substantial. Think of public displays in airports, stations, malls, shops.
- The article misses the display port 1.2 streaming functionality that allows 1 card to drive up to 32 displays.
ZeDestructor - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
To counter/comment on your 5p:1. They have for a looooong time now, though Matrox was way aherad of them back in the day.
2. Yup. For simple video rendering, you don't need all that much more - this isn't a gaming or even 3D workstation card at all.
3. Yup. Also think about stuff like large financial displays, all of which lead back to point 2 of being very 2D-focused.
4. Yup.
5. Bandwidth limitations come into play - you can either MST 4 1080p, or 1 4K. For multiple 4K, you need more ports.
2old4this - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
YupSee http://www.displayport.org/cables/driving-multiple...
And a Nvidia driver limit of 32 max.
Laststop311 - Thursday, November 5, 2015 - link
the price is a major rip off. A partially enabled gm107 die is worth like 75 bucks 100 max so at max this card should be 200 dollars. They are really milking the hell outta this card.2old4this - Friday, November 6, 2015 - link
Well,- in this market segment, Nvidia is a monopolist. Like Intel (see Xeon pricing).
- Card is for OEM. Not for consumers. Here play product aspects (built- & driver-quality, low-noise) and commercial aspects (supply chain, change management, LCM, pre-qual samples, EOL, LTB).
- Cost wise NVS810 should equal 4x NVS310 or 2x NVS510. And its way above. But then, can you place all those cards in your workstation/server?
Eidigean - Saturday, November 7, 2015 - link
With this card having two GPUs, there is also a PEX 8747 on board, which has been extortionately expensive since PLX was purchased by Avago. Add another $100-$150 just for that.varg14 - Friday, November 6, 2015 - link
I would rather have 2 more 34" 3440 x 1440 21/9 monitors and 3 EVGA GTX 980ti Classified cards in tri SLI if we are talking about a true honest to goodness immersive surround gaming experience. Heck I would even take 2 27" 2560 x 1440 monitors to go with my 34" LG 34UM95 I am currently using that does a great job of immersing you in whatever game your playing. Since the 34" 21/9 1440p monitor is the center panel and is very wide I think 2 more 21/9's would be overkill since I do not want to have to crane my neck left and right too much. Just the one 21/9 monitor I am using allows me to scan the horizon in Warthunder Ground forces with my eyes instead of having to mouse left or right as much as with a standard 19/9 monitor would make me have to.21/9 is here to stay and is about the best thing to come along since the whole eyefinity and NV surround deals that have been out for ages. Too bad they do not make a 32/9 1440p monitor which would be 5120 x 1440 and would be totally awesome, it could even be made on the same assembly line as the 1440p 16/9 panels just do not cut them to make 27" panels.
Looks like the real VR tech is going to use this resolution thanks to Star VR
StarVR was born from Starbreeze’s purchase of InfinitEye, which previously discussed the potential for ridiculously high resolution set-ups in VR. At that time, it was conceptual more than actual, but the actual realization is now what the guys at Starbreeze claim to have made. Their StarVR headset is an HMD that is capable of a 5,120 x 1,440 pixel resolution and an even more ridiculous 210-degree viewing angle.
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ElBerryKM13 - Friday, November 13, 2015 - link
Why is nvidia doing a paper launch on this? I have yet to find a retailer that have any stock. This is the perfect solution to my setup and it couldn't have arrived at a better time for me.Kutark - Sunday, November 15, 2015 - link
This card is in NO way intended for gaming in ANY capacity. I don't understand why so many comments in this thread are in regards to gaming.jsellin - Sunday, May 1, 2016 - link
@KutarkI would get ONE of the NVS810s and then have another Video card to the rendering for it.
I ran 9 monitors using 3 Nvidia 210s + a radeon 6970.
The primary display was set as one of the Monitors connected to the 6970.
I had 8 Everquest windows @ 1080p each with the 6970 rendering.
No lag at all.